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| Raptor_49 wrote: | | Any idea when this new technology will be out in the public eye, Bill? |
Not that I am at liberty to discuss.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: SPYDER 50 CAL |
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Kingman Group
Date: October 5, 2009
Contact: 626-430-2300
Baldwin Park, CA USA
THE NEXT CHAPTER IN PAINTBALL
Kingman Group is set to release the most advanced, thrilling and eco-friendly .50 Caliber paintball line arriving the beginning of 2010. This unique Spyder .50 Cal. brand will feature a full line of paintball products that are operational on .50 Caliber size paintballs. The initial products released under Spyder .50 Cal. will consist of a Mil-Sim Rifle & Pistol, Competition Electronic & Semi-Auto Markers, a lightweight Goggle, Electronic Loader and Spyder .50 Caliber paintballs. The Spyder .50 Caliber Volume 1 Catalog will premier at the World Cup event this week in Orlando, FL.
Arthur Chang, Founder and CEO of Kingman Group states, "With the anticipated launch of this advanced Spyder .50 Cal. Brand, along with our Kingman Training .43 Caliber paintball line, and classic Spyder .68 Caliber line we can now offer paintball players and action sports enthusiasts a unique range of products to match the style and pace of their game. We have been relentless in establishing Kingman Group as the premier and all inclusive paintball source."
This all new reduced size Spyder .50 Caliber paintball creates a smaller ammunition which means greater accuracy and efficiency, less mess, less impact and less cost for the consumer. Look for more information in the coming weeks on this most advanced, thrilling and eco-friendly Spyder .50 Caliber paintball line. The next chapter in paintball is almost here. For more information stay tuned to www.spyder50.com.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: Chris LaSoya's comments |
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Pro Paintball player, Chris LaSoya on Paintball LIVE (www.pblive.tv) talking about the new .50 caliber "paintball 2.0" markers that GI Milsim are debuting at PSP World Cup in October. Is it the future of paintball?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LePFytcdYfw
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I see this as a B.S. ploy by the evil, crumbling empire of Smart Parts. They forever damaged our sport and are simply attempting to drive the market in a direction that would mostly benefit them, not the players. I'm sure there are other companies, manufactures as well celebrity yesmen that will help push this forward... but the benefits do not outway the drawbacks.
If you haven't kept up on sales... any company not selling paint is struggling. Equipment sales are dead. Players are playing with what they got and aren't and won't be ready to buy new gear anytime soon. The interesting thing to note is the current and future patent which could cause this to be pushed forward. That alone could force the phase out of .68 cal which would force players to retrofit their gear or buy new. To hell with that!!!
I play MILSIM and this doesn't appeal to me in the least. One, I'm not ready to retool or trade up my equipment (markers, hoppers, barrel sets, pods, etc) just to save a couple of bucks on paint... which would undoubtedly never be passed onto me. I just have to much tied up in .68 cal.
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| 00Buckshot wrote: | | The interesting thing to note is the current and future patent which could cause this to be pushed forward. That alone could force the phase out of .68 cal which would force players to retrofit their gear or buy new. |
What patent could possibly be used to force players to switch to .50 cal?
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Poorly worded. My apologies.
What I was implying is that if other paintball manufactures drink this Kool Aide... like Kee and ProCaps... we (as players) may be forced to make the switch to .50 cal un-voluntarily. Further, you'd be able to chalk up one more patent to SP.
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What I was implying is that if other paintball manufactures drink this Kool Aide... like Kee and ProCaps... we (as players) may be forced to make the switch to .50 cal un-voluntarily.
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KEE already tried 55 cal a year ago, and it was met less than enthusiastically. I wouldn't hold my breath on any manufacturer stopping the production of .68 cal while there is a market for it. They might kick out .50 if enough people are buying it, but I just can't see them walking away from customers that want 68.
| Quote: | | Further, you'd be able to chalk up one more patent to SP. |
Again, what patent?
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| 00Buckshot wrote: | | What I was implying is that if other paintball manufactures drink this Kool Aide... like Kee and ProCaps... we (as players) may be forced to make the switch to .50 cal un-voluntarily. Further, you'd be able to chalk up one more patent to SP. |
So in the paintball community, one company has the power to dictate that players use the gear they don't want. And no other company in the paintball community has the business sense to know what customers want and provide it? Sounds like another Oliver Stone movie to me.
If there is an argument to be made there, I'd say it's the other way around. That paintball companies are more than eager to provide gear that may not be in the best interest of players or the sport. Doesn't effect the equation though. The products that the players like the most sells the most. And that becomes the standard gear.
I'm not sold on the idea that .50 caliber makes for a good paintball. But I don't think my opinion means anything. .50 caliber paint will dominate, compliment, or die purely on the basis of how many people like it enough to pay for it. If there's some big conspiracy out there where any company mandates .50 caliber conversion or else, and nobody likes .50 caliber, then it's not a matter of people will play .50 caliber even though they don't like it. They simply won't play.
I think that would be an academic debate though. Simply because if players like .68 caliber better, then .68 caliber will be produced and sold.
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| WetBiscuit wrote: | | 00Buckshot wrote: | | What I was implying is that if other paintball manufactures drink this Kool Aide... like Kee and ProCaps... we (as players) may be forced to make the switch to .50 cal un-voluntarily. Further, you'd be able to chalk up one more patent to SP. |
So in the paintball community, one company has the power to dictate that players use the gear they don't want. |
I wouldn't necessarily say dictate... but when that one company is SmartParts... anything is possible. I'm not a conspiracy nut case, but you can't dispute what's been done... to AKA, to AGD, PMI, etc... They have a tremendous influence to pressure the rest of the industry, especially if they're licensed by them to produce electro-pneumatics. Is Kee and others licensed indefinitely by SP to put out electro-pneumatics? What if they don't play ball and get on board with .50 cal? The terms of most of the licensing agreements are rarely, if ever made public, so I don't know. I can't imagine that they're indefinite though.
What I see is a single company having some degree of leverage over a large slice of the industry (WGP withstanding). Which in turn can be construed as having leverage over the community. But no, they don't dictate what we use as players - they can just make it harder or more expensive to use it.
If I'm talking out of my backside, then please correct me.
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| Quote: | | Further, you'd be able to chalk up one more patent to SP. |
Again, what patent? |
The current patent for electro pneumatics held by SP (I believe, it's U.S. Patent Nos. 6,637,421 B2; 6,474,326 B1; 6,035,843; 5,967,133; and 5,881,707. ) and more than likely the possible future patent for .50 cal paintballs - does somebody else own it? is already patented? has it been filed? But yes, I'm making a swag that somehow, SP has some sort of tie to it..
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I wouldn't necessarily say dictate... but when that one company is SmartParts... anything is possible. |
Smart Parts isn't the company bringing out 50 caliber, nor are the principles behind SP the people calling the shots at GI-Milsim. Richmond Italia is the man at the helm. Look at his track record - have you ever heard of a field or tournament getting in trouble for using the name X-Ball or the X-Ball rules without his permission? I haven't.
Yes, according to the Internet rumor mill, Smart Parts patents are wide and over-reaching - and nobody can put out an electro without their consent if it has an on/off switch or an electronic trigger. I don't believe that to be true, since both Spyder and Tippmann produce electronic markers that are not licensed to Smart Parts. Similarly I've not seen announcements of licensing agreements from Alien, Infinity, MacDev or Dangerous Power, so I would be surprised if they were licensed either.
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I'm not a conspiracy nut case, but you can't dispute what's been done... to AKA, to AGD, PMI, etc...
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That's a whole topic in and of itself, generally well more than half the things I've seen claimed that they have done in various threads on the subject are either partially incorrect or totally untrue. For example, SP never sued AGD. I know Tom Kaye personally, and have had lengthy discussions about what put the company on track to its current state, and it had nothing to do with SP.
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They have a tremendous influence to pressure the rest of the industry, especially if they're licensed by them to produce electro-pneumatics. Is Kee and others licensed indefinitely by SP to put out electro-pneumatics? What if they don't play ball and get on board with .50 cal? The terms of most of the licensing agreements are rarely, if ever made public, so I don't know. I can't imagine that they're indefinite though.
What I see is a single company having some degree of leverage over a large slice of the industry (WGP withstanding). Which in turn can be construed as having leverage over the community. But no, they don't dictate what we use as players - they can just make it harder or more expensive to use it.
If I'm talking out of my backside, then please correct me.
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I believe you are very much over-estimating Smart Parts reach and capacity within the industry. While they haven't gone out of business - they are still taking orders and delivering product - they recently downsized a significant amount of staff, and they did not have a both at World Cup or the PSTA trade show in September.
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The current patent for electro pneumatics held by SP (I believe, it's U.S. Patent Nos. 6,637,421 B2; 6,474,326 B1; 6,035,843; 5,967,133; and 5,881,707. ) and more than likely the possible future patent for .50 cal paintballs - does somebody else own it? is already patented? has it been filed? But yes, I'm making a swag that somehow, SP has some sort of tie to it.. |
I see what you're getting at - tell companies to switch or they can't make electros anymore - I don't think there is any possibility of that happening. Many of those companies have reciprocal agreements (SP using technology that is licensed to them - SP is not by any means alone in enforcing patents in paintball).
I don't believe you're going to see anyone patenting 50 caliber paintballs - they've been around since the 1980s, and marketed by a number of companies - so even if say Crossman went back and tried to patent the 3357 to use that pentent to control 50 cal paintball now, the patent would already be expired (patents only last 14 years).
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: Planet Eclispe Ego .50 cal conversion kit |
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Planet Eclispe Ego .50 cal conversion kit
Check out how easy it is to convert some tourny guns
from 68 to 50 and back again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPtsNU2837M
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| pigtech wrote: | | Raptor_49 wrote: | | Any idea when this new technology will be out in the public eye, Bill? |
Not that I am at liberty to discuss. |
And to revisit that question...
It was unveiled at World Cup.
If you've got questions about GI Milsim's markers, ask away, I know them inside and out.
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| sirrod wrote: | Notice the feed Its suppose to be switchable to either side and middle plus use a magazine according to my friend Andy Van Der Platts.
I was on my way to world cup today and my ranger's transmission went out in Plant City just a few miles from Fantasy of Flight. |
Rod, you actually said this in the Smart Corps forum, but I forgot my account name/pwd over there, so I'll answer here.
That's not quite correct. The GI50 can feed left or right, it does not have a magazine feed option. The FM50 (mechanical marker) can feed from the magazine or left or right angled feeding.
Also in that same thread, someone noted wanting a Blackheart board in a .50 cal version of the SP-1. The GI50 has a board that is very equivalent to the Blackheart - same modes and anti-chop eyes already built in.
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